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Poster: php111 Date: Feb 5, 2014 12:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: How would someone organize these albums?

Hey, I'm looking for serious answers to my questions, please.

From this Wikipedia link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grateful_Dead_Discography how would someone would organize them meaning if someone wanted to group everything together by creating folders on their hard drive, than my question is, what albums goes into what folders?

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Feb 5, 2014 7:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How would someone organize these albums?

My favorite is Autobiographical, from the movie High Fidelity.
"That sounds..."
"Comforting?"
"Yeah..."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQvOnDlql5g

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Poster: php111 Date: Feb 5, 2014 8:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How would someone organize these albums?

In regards to the reply made earlier stated From the Mars Hotel was on 1/1/74. I looked on Wikipedia and it shows different dates. So, first, what is the correct date? And second, which dates do I look at for the show dates? The dates wikipedia has are Released June 27,1974 and Recorded March 30-April 19, 1974 at CBS Studios, San Francisco, California

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 5, 2014 10:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How would someone organize these albums?

I'm guessing you're kinda new to the GD collect-it-all-obsessively world. Mars Hotel was one of the studio albums; it doesn't involve a show, although the re-release (or one of them) does muck it up with a grab-bag of tracks from various shows in '73-74 ... I'm a purist so I'd whiningly insist on Only The Original Tracks :-)

Probably the reason someone might (rather sensibly) categorize one of the formal studio albums as 74-1-1 is just to put "the album/s released that year" in a separate category at the start of the year. Conceptually, the canonical albums are a different bird, IMO.

Besides, if you use the release date, what do you do with a re-release that includes different tracks from the original? (Heresy, heresy!) And the fact that the bonus tracks are all over the place (and are from shows, whereas the studio album is not)? Anyway, I label by date for easy finding; and I'd pick 1/1 personally to keep the album separate. Or you could use the original release date (since that's when the public heard it). Or do a separate file for the canonical albums. Or whatever works for you.

I don't know about others, but I always talk about the music I have as shows rather than albums, and it's led to some odd conversations -- most recently, with a young woman from Taiwan, who shared that she had some Grateful Dead on her iPod.

Me: Really? Great! What shows?
Her: Uh ... I have two things.
Me: Which ones?
Her: Um, uh, well ... it's Fire on the Mountain and Sugar Magnolia.
Me: From when?
Her: I don't know, I just got it from iTunes.

Oh, RIGHT. Everyone doesn't think like me :-)








This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2014-02-06 06:16:09

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 6, 2014 6:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How would someone organize these albums?

And, what DO you DO when YOU discover that the live bonus track is NOT from the date THEY list, and YOU discover the correct date, post it here, and everyone pats you on the back...and...and...that's all.

Hmmm.

Damn it.

Workingmans BT of UJB is from 10-4-70, not Dec something as they state on the re release...

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 6, 2014 7:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How would someone organize these albums?

Now, now, WT.

Look what I just helpfully did for you. Official citation and all. (Well, it doesn't point to a post by WT, but it can if you can link me to it ...)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workingman%27s_Dead#Track_listing

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 6, 2014 6:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How would someone organize these albums?

Here it is...I fig'd it out in 2008 when I initially listened to the re-release, and was trying to find the sug mag that was on the same album, knowing the UJB had been on a bootleg w this great sug mag. When I describe the album, LiA and GoP tell me, "oh, that sug mag is from 10-4" and bingo, I put two and two together:

https://archive.org/post/215883/lia-is-a-frickin-geniusbut-you-knew-that

EDIT: okay, I guess you need this other one to realize I first posted saying "hey, this is the great UJB from the Mammary Productions bootleg, and since they say it's from Dec, I need to find the sug mags that went with it"

https://archive.org/post/215818/uncle-johns-tdih

Do I get my credit now?

;)

Hmmm, read LiA's blog...I guess he waited to confirm it via some guy that recorded it...you can listen like I did (I have the bootleg!) and it is a no brainer match...

This post was modified by William Tell on 2014-02-07 02:45:42

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: Feb 6, 2014 7:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How would someone organize these albums?

Good enough for Wikipedia, Sherlock. Now I have done my good deed for the day, and your detective work is enshrined in footnote 11 for all the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workingman%27s_Dead#Track_listing

This post was modified by AltheaRose on 2014-02-07 03:11:20

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 6, 2014 9:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How would someone organize these albums?

Cool; now, where's SDH to sing my praises?

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Feb 6, 2014 9:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How would someone organize these albums?

Are you still here? I thought you retired...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Feb 7, 2014 5:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How would someone organize these albums?

Oh, this? This is God's Work, as we are wont to say. Serving the masses? Yeah, that's over. This is "I am a good guy" for posterity type stuff...

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Poster: Phlesh Wound Date: Feb 5, 2014 1:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How would someone organize these albums?

Hmmm. This seems to be a question of personal taste. For me any way, the labelling on the hard drive is pretty secondary and doesn't affect me on a day to day basis. Thus, I'm kinda lazy about it and just have one big Grateful Dead folder in which there are subfolders each representing an album or show as the case may be.
I suppose you could have a tree with a big Grateful Dead folder at the top and then sub-folders of types such as "Studio", "Road Trips", "Dick's Picks" etc and then each of those subfolders could have individual folders for each release/show.

The more practical question is how you arrange them in your music library program of choice. In that case I like to put the show date first in the album tag (yy-mm-dd format) then the venue and then any other pertinent information. For example I might tag a show "78-02-05 UniDome Cedar Falls, IA DP 18". Or alternately "74-01-01 From The Mars Hotel" so that all the shows and albums align in chronolgical order, which is the only way to really consider the Dead's vast output, IMHO.

Not 100% sure if that's what you're asking about but that's my 2 cents.

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Poster: php111 Date: Feb 5, 2014 1:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How would someone organize these albums?

Yes, that was what I'm asking. And I'm not sure how to put all the show dates in and I'm not sure of the show dates. I use Foobar as my player.

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Poster: gmcgill Date: Feb 5, 2014 2:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How would someone organize these albums?

Each album (live show or studio album) on my hard drive as separate directory under the Grateful Dead artist directory:

e:\music\artists\album\track...

e:\music\Grateful Dead\
.......................\1969-02-27 - Fillmore West (Box Set Limited Edition)\tracks....
........................\1969-06-06 - Fillmore West\tracks...
........................\American Beauty\tracks....

etc.


This post was modified by gmcgill on 2014-02-05 22:11:15

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Poster: Uncle_John Date: Feb 6, 2014 11:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How would someone organize these albums?

What works for me is 4 main Dead folders: GD Albums, GD Compilations, GD Live, and GD Outtakes and Rehearsals.

GD Albums has all their main album releases, but not the vault stuff. Sorted by year released (or year recorded if that is significantly different.
GD73-Wake of the Flood
GD74[76]-Steal Your Face
GD74-From The Mars Hotel
Bonus tracks stay with the album, but are also copied to the Live or Outtakes folders as appropriate.

The GD Live folder has sub-folders by year (although the 80's and 90's sub-folders each encompass 2-4 years). Within each sub-folder, each show has a folder labeled by date first with location and other info following:
GD73-09-11 Williamsburg, VA
GD73-09-15 Providence, RI - partial
GD73-10-19 Oklahoma City - DP19
GD73-10-29 St Louis - AUD
Each 'year' folder also has a bunch of loose live tracks with file names (mostly) organized by date and song title:
gd76-09-27-OtherOne
gd76-10-03-Scarlet

The Compilations folder has official GD Merchandising compilations (So Many Roads, Birth of the Dead, Rare Cuts and Oddities, etc.) and also less official compilations (30 Days of Dead, internet-sourced compilations, and personal compilations). These are also deconstructed with individual tracks copied to other folders as appropriate. Each folder in Compilations is labeled with the date range contained and the name of the compilation:
GD65-95-SoManyRoads

My Outtakes and Rehearsals folder follows the same pattern, with folders and individual files named by date.


This system generally works pretty well for my OCD brain. Given a date, I can locate a show or song pretty quickly. What it doesn't do well is differentiate by quality or flavor of the performances or recordings. It also does nothing at all to help me remember which show had that f***ing amazing Bird Song that popped back into my brain this afternoon....

- John

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Poster: Old_NJ_Head_Zimmer Date: Feb 5, 2014 12:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How would someone organize these albums?

How do you neatly but 8 track tapes into folders ?

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Poster: php111 Date: Feb 5, 2014 1:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: How would someone organize these albums?

So sorry but I didn't mean 8 track tapes. I meant from that wikipedia everything in reissue CDs.